but here they are...
i tried to miss the debate - wound up seeing most of it (CNN had the split screen most of the time)
most entertaining bit of TV in a long time - watching the moronic poopy head smirky dopey chimp with the verbal skills of a 4th grader (petty good for a chimp) try to drink water out of an empty glass was PRICELESS...
i thought jim's questions were good - well asked and followed up very well.
Kerry won without question - I can just hope there were people out there that were able to listen to that debate and actually decide who to vote for based on that.
Who do you want as a president, a clear compelling speaker or a bumbling retarded fool who's the laughing stock of the world.
Bring some respect back to the white house!
Mike,
the pottery thing was refering to "pottery barn"
referencing the wildly popular ;) store (my Sis-in-Law runs a Crate and Barrel -so the Pottery Barn is evil in that whole family)...
and well how i really feel?
no suprise...
and mike, i'm seeing the same thing... i have a hard time believing that there is anyone "undecided" how can you be?
Bush has done an INCREDIBLE job of completely polarizing this country... he did it right after the last election. people remeber the whole florida thing... the only concern i have is that people won't vote...
--- mY oPiniOns are my own twisted perception of reality - and no way shape or form should be used to form ones own or anyone elses --- data --- not talking heads should be what people form their opinions from... only retarded chimps and goofy smirky short presidents that roll their eyes all the time and pretend to take notes get their opinions from talking heads....
Ohhh
one other observations:
anyone else notice how much LONGER Kerry's microphone was? 3x longer than Bush's - i found that extremely funny... also I LOVED how Kerry was VERY good with the time - very good following the lights (with only one or two exceptions). Little Shubby butted in without acknowledgement, and didn't really seem to understand what those three colors are used for...
heck he prolly hasn't driven a vehicle in so long (except on the "ranch") through a stop light that the red yellow green to him are just colors that his massively expenesive department of fiscal waste and homeland security dreamed up... maybe thats why he was getting agitated... thinking that the terrorist threats were constantly changing....
jorpet - dat's kinda my spin on the polls - was thinkinga bout that - what would i say if called? "Undecided"
and i'd do it just to mess with em... i'd think that about 10% of the people polled are smartasses and prolyl say "I don't know" just to have a grin
one of the more entertaining folks out there is big jonny at drunkcyclist.com (yeah there is free porn there but itsa ll teh same and i don't click the links, he's just very entertaining to read)...
here are a few quotes:
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My God, Bush is such a tool. I can't believe this guy. Really. He's all hat and no cattle.
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He bull****ted us into invading that quagmire, he claimed it was all sewn up in front of a mission accomplished banner, and he can't face the music, now, for the young men and women who are dying in that God forsaken ****hole each and every day.
No offense meant to the fans of the site currently living in God forsaken ****holes.
Iraq. Taking the War to the Enemy. The best way to protect America is to stay on the offense.
Ok, it's settled. Bush should win. Yep. We should give the bastard the election.
Why?
Because then he can inherit this ****ing trainwreck he created.
He broke it, and he ****ing bought it.
And, think about what will happen in four years after Bush "stays to course" and plows this pill party straight into the ground. The Republicans won't be worth a ****.
Not like most of them are now, but you know what I'm saying
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The other side of the coin is Kerry wins, Iraq stays a mess for four more year. Which, by the way, will be a mess for a long, long time. Kerry wins, Iraq sucks, and the Republicans hammer him on it for his entire presidency.
And, that's what exactly will happen. Iraq is so ****ed, nothing good will come of it for years. Maybe we should let Bush dig his own ****ing grave.
I guess the question becomes, how do we keep ourselves from getting buried in that grave with him.
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(Its scary but i find some truth in those two quotes)
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If you avoided this, and relied on someone else, even me, to tell you what happened, you missed out. This isn't a football game where someone wins and some one looses. Clearly, and without question.
The outcome of a debate such as this, with people with vast audience who are incredibly masterful at spinning everything to the right with, you'll never know what happened. In two days folks will come out saying Bush was "strong" "clear" "concise" "powerful" "effective" and "victorious".
Instead of saying he was "full of ****." A "lying ass face." And, "a worthless sack of ****."
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read the full text here:
http://www.drunkcyclist.com/index1.html
(just don't click the links in there to stay work safe)
from ertzog here is the debate transcript...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6989.htm
instead of "uh.., um..." (stammer, stammer, duh?) they use "-" in the bushy translation portions.
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Originally posted by canola bill
I'm deeply considering heeding the advice of a political commentator I heard last night, if you support Kerry vote bush, if you support bush vote Kerry. Or if you're in a non swing state vote third party.
Bush has messed things up so bad that it doesn't matter who is in charge, they will have a tough unpopular time that you wouldn't wish on anyone. If Kerry is elected he will probably only get one term because of this and then we'll be back to the same old republican BS again. If bush is reelected he will screw things up so much further that it could be decades before the Republicans are back in office.
Vote with a plan for the long term, not just the next four years
Could be a third party will have a real good chance in '08 since it will probably be McCain or Jeb Bush vs. Hillary.
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Crazy idea - if everyone did that it'd be too funny...
i think this is the whole thing that worries me the most...
Elect bush to let him screw it up and really have the GOP stink it up majorly... let the world watch and see his pledges from last night, and too see those pledges fall apart...
then in '08... I like the third party idea... although if McCain gets on a ticket despite what Bush does he'll probably win no problem.
Too many Dem's like him and he's got a somewhat okay support from the GOP...
We need 4 parties... one for the uberstupid rightwing biblethumping cousin marrying folks, one for a McCain type GOP, one for a Kerry/Cliton Dem, and a liberal left wing environmentalist party...
but not just in the white house - on the Hill and in the states too... it only makes sense...
Its the long term i'm worried about... If kery wins and can manage a second term in office then we "might" be okay... if bush wins and the GOP goes down the toliet oaky for the long run maybe...
But like Mike said - that line up of talking heads has a herd of mindless cattle that suck up every word they say... that's a problem...
Here's a nice summary from O'Grady
http://www.maddogmedia.com/dailydog.html
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Talk still cheap: Film at 11
The first of the 2004 presidential debates is in the history books, and if it changed a single mind, well, that particular brain belongs in a glass jar at a medical school. If you think George W. Bush is a lying sack of ****, a plastic doll that spouts talking points when you squeeze it by the nuts, you found John Kerry's performance spellbinding. If you think Kerry is an East Coast sissy, a waffler who changes positions more often than a fat man in a tight chair, well, you found the president decisive and forthright.
I feel a little bit better about Kerry than I did before tonight's beauty contest; I thought he came off as tolerably smart and reasonably tough while avoiding the Brainiac missteps that helped cost Gore the election. But if anything I feel even less sanguine about Dubya, who struck me as having mixed up his meds before taking the stage and badly in need of an anger-management course, especially after Kerry jabbed him a couple of times.
Of course, Kerry had more to lose in this initial pissing contest than Bush, because after three years of watching Numbnuts act like the dumbest, meanest monkey in the zoo, few of us — even his supporters — expect much in the way of snappy repartee from the Chimp-in-Chief. And the challenger fell well short of knocking his man out. But he stuck him a few times, and so I give the first round to Kerry on points.
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--- that about sums it up for me... i guess it isn't to ambiguous what my political leanings are...
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