- Masters can only ride in one Masters race. For example, a Cat 3 rider cannot register for both the 10:00am 3/4 Masters race and the 11:00am 1/2/3 Masters race.
- Contrast the above with no restrictions
- I would be wonderful if it would be consistent in a region
- Category 3 race in any and all cat 3 eligible races?
- 6-7 years ago the talk was "no way can we have more than 5 races go off in one day after daylight savings time"
- now we have 7 races going off after DST
- but some still stick with 5 post DST
- is the 3/4 Masters race a figment of pre-DST scheduling outside of Adam's race?
- is there a problem and does it need to be fixed
- can the A Masters race with the elite men
- can the b masters race with the b men
- should anything be done or is it all perfect
- longer laps for increasingly larger fields?
- reading the necx list archives raises more questions than answers although still many things i thought about have been discussed
- upgrade points and category distinctions... if daylight won't allow for racing 4 categories separately - why have 4, why not go with 3. would simplify and clarify and make it all better. no? 1, 2, 3.
- With three there will be no confusion with the 2/3 vs 3/4 "Killer B" races
- UCI events you could have UCI race and then a 1/2 race for the 2s who can't race in the 3 race, or the 1s/2s who don't want to buy a UCI liscense.
- do series points make sense?
- many regions (outside new england) offer the same recognition for every category, not just Pro, Amateur, Masters, Elite Women. They hand out awards to all the damn winners.
- Case in point, i've got a kick ass plaque that Robert Linden gave me as the Beginner series champion back in 1997.
- That is cool.
- i'm done with bullets
- if daylight won't allow for racing 4 categories separately - why have 4
- we don't want to wind up like a MTB race with a bazillion categories but - something slightly less arbitrary than we have now would be cool
Tuesday, October 30, 2007
Bullet points
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Here's how the biggest cross series in the world (participation) does it:
race 1 9am: Beginner, 50+ (40 minutes)
race 2 10am: C, 35+C (45 minutes)
race 3 11am: 35+B, Junior men, Clydesdales
race 4 12pm: B, SS (45 minutes)
race 5 1pm: Women: A, B, Beginner, 35+, 45+, Juniors (45 minutes)
race 5 2pm: A, 35+A (60 minutes)
The second race is the biggest by far. The women like riding with the women even though the fields are very different in speed. Six races seem about right. Plenty of daylight.
very cool - thanks for chimin in with some info Brooke!
maybe it is my PacNW roots but that schedule makes sense...
the monkey wrench in that schedule is that if you're going to run a UCI race, you can't have another race going at the same time, on the same course, so your 1pm/2pm races don't work.
Yeah, we don't bother with UCI much out here. The USGP days will be UCI, though, so the schedule is a little different. They are going to fit eight races in each day. The racing will start at 8:30 and feature a couple of 30 minute races.
i think there should only be 3 categorys: slow, medium, and fast.
if ya too old to stick with the "fast" group, then ya move down to the "medium" group.
like-wise, if you are 45 & still fast, then stick with the fast boys.
problem solved.
oh, except for the huge fields problem... ugh.
gee-
how does that schedule make sense to you? i thought you wanted the 35+B to have thier OWN race?
That schedule works. It would be like putting the B masters in with the killer Bs.
That makes MUCH more sense than putting the B masters in with the beginners. Esp when you start the slowest group first.
From racing in the trenches most of the B Masters AKA 3/4 35+ folks are not beginners.
They are all the guys who were racing in the 35+ open but weren't fast enough to compete with the likes of Bold and Boivin and Curley.
Sure there are always a few fast beginners, but the majority of them are slower than the "B" masters.
That's sort of the root of my beef with it all.
The promoters seem to treat the B masters like the beginners, not the "Killer Bs"
The best solution i've come across in the listserver archives is just to lengthen the lap times if the fields are too big.
But yes, combining the 2/3 or 3/4 (i understand the whole UCI races wanting the 2/3s to race separately but it still bugs me - and yes i understand the desire for the 4s who normally race the beginner to get more experience racing 2x in a day) anyway... back to combining the 2/3 (or 3/4) with the B Masters field could result in a 200 strong field of racers.
But that said. Putting a limit would make some people race in other races, ie the 35+ A race or the fast 2s might opt to race in the Elite race...
Yes, it is a slippery slope.
Bottom line there "seems" to be a disparity at least mostly in skill levels between the majority of the B Masters and the Beginner men.
But that said. If we have 100 guys in the 3/4 Masters group who want to race that group every weekend... and a 100 in all the other fields...
that's a lot of races...
but, cross crusade seems to manage some how, so that lends hope that potentially there IS a solution, that could improve the quality of racing, the competition and reduce the promoter headaches in New England. esp if i'm the only head ache they dealing with.
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