Thursday, September 07, 2006

Tires

Bike tires... and Car Tires...

observations of the commuter/rider/cerebral idiot (ie bike nerd/geek).

My 28c tires on the Klein Q-P, have a SMALLER contact patch than my 25c tires on the Commuter bike.

Oh air pressure; Klien 100psi, Commuter (P-mount)... 110psi.

Oh one other variable right? (yall better know this) Rim width. Yes rim width plays a huge factor in tire air volume and contact patch and shape. They are both 19mm rims.

So... how is it that a WIDER tires has LESS contact than a skinner one????

Oh how did i measure it? Riding in the wet over the same course (EBBP).

The difference is like comparing a U with an O... Everyone says 'tubulars are best because they are round' DUH no shit. So are my conti 28s mounted on 19mm rims.

BUT they are soooo heavy (one might say)... bullshit. That weight isn't gonna make a huge difference for anyone but a KL, and she's riding 650s so the argument is out the window.

No i don't have 23s to compare. But if you are mounting them to the same rim... is the narrower tire going to be any less U shaped than the 25? NO.

It goes against convention i know... but its hard emperical evidence that is out there that i've seen that i know... But the argument for bigger tires is more contact patch...

Yes that's the case, well sort of ... as ya lean over the rounder bigger tire contact patch doesn't change, where as the U shaped ones decrease dramatically the contact patch, when you DO NOT want it to decrease (side loading in corners or sprinting).

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Car tires. More of a thought than something like the above: Loud tires = less efficient. It takes energy to make sound. And a few other variables to go with but i tend to notice tires on cars a lot... ie "that looks like a shitty tread" "oh its a no name no brand tire... suprise*not*"

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Racing... may get my feet wet crit style sunday. May as in there's a chance someone could talk me out of signing up for the 3/4 race. I'm thinkin that one first cause i have a team mate registered (always better to have a team mate - right?). Second, its shorter (i hate crits and why suffer more than i have to). Third, well the heavy hitters for the BOB team all seem to be registered for the 30+ race (not saying that the home team in the 3/4 race won't also kick my ass). its sort of scary, to be honest. I have not measure of how well i'd do. My legs aren't bad. But is my fitness at a level that i can hang. Is my pain threshold to the point i can hang.

I feel stronger and faster than i ever have before (I know - that's not saying much). But i also don't know what to expect. I haven't done a crit since College. And i didn't like them then. But i was 165 pounds, no real power - just a good power to weight ratio, the only race i really loved then was the Tokeneke road thing put on by UConn.

One other thing. This new school schedule is MUCH better than the old one. No more working hard to get the oldest up and out the door by 6:55 to the bus. Which always ment me getting up in time to shower, get her snack packed up, make coffee, sort out breakfast... now i'm still the first up but its a much more civilized hour (6am) instead of the 5something before...

Great ride in, hooked up with one of the founding members of the PVelo club (Peter something). He passed me riding a silver Steelman road bike, wearing knickers and a longsleeve jersey. Carrying nutt'n. Me with trailer, and messenger bag (rather obsecenly loaded) and kid in trailer... decide getting passed is okay but i'm not letting him get more than 20 yards away... after cruising through the riverside intersections a log jam cuts the gap and we start chatting away. Me trying to not sound super labored breathing... him... spinnin away heading to work (a bit further north). Got in much faster, crazy work though... legs are definately feeling that effort.

yall take care now hear?

G

oooooooh

that yogurt container thing...
The Hawthorne Valley containers are made by plastics packaging, w.springfield MA... and are #2 HDPE... the Brown Cow and Seven Stars yogurt containers are the crappier #5 PP plastic.

Yogurt Boy... what'r the Stony quarts made from?

7 comments:

solobreak said...

Why do you say PP is crappy? Much lower MVTR than hdpe.

Talked to Feltslave about containers over the weekend. Right now they are PP, but they are going to cornstarch based containers soon, so you can eat the packaging.

gewilli said...

PP crappy in that it doesn't seem to hold up to nukin as well as the HDPE stuff...

Well they can make em out of what ever they want... i'd think something along the lines of more stable more re-usable could be better than degradable...

but if you can nuke and wash these cornstarch ones - SWEET...

down side - i'd wager most of em would wind up in the recycling bins with the other 'plastics' and could cost much more energy to clean that crap out of the recycling of the other plastics... no?

gewilli said...

(that and i'm just trash talking anyway)

solobreak said...

Many towns that have curbside recycling just collect the stuff to appease the residents and then they landfill it when nobody is looking. There isn't always too much market for most of that crap. PET, HDPE, and LDPE can all go together, and of course aluminum has value. Corrugated cardboard has a good market. PS and PVC are useless as recyclables.

I'd be wary of anything published on this topic though. There are so many conflicting agendas that I think misinformation generally prevails.

PP is very unstable with heating and will shrink. This was a big problem when trying to replace PET labels with cheaper PP. On a printing press, any heat to dry (or from UV cure) of the ink would lead to dimensional instability of a PP substrate; kind of hard to keep printing in registration when the size of the substrate is changing... For high volume applications though, they figured it out. PET is pretty expensive compared to PP. That's why the "ultra clear" bottles of Poland Spring cost more.

I'm glad to no longer be a packaging whore.

solobreak said...

Oh yeah, and I'm thinking with something a "pointy" as a bicycle tire, two tires with the same weight on them will end up with exactly the save (area anyway) contact patch regardless of the shape of the tire. In other words, if you have 100 psi in the tire, and a 100 pound load, you will get 1 square inch of contact patch, more during dynamic loading. You think this is not the case?

gewilli said...

And yeah - assuming same weight, same air pressure...

but not same air pressure... while 110 vs 100 is not huge - i think it is could be significant...

but then again... my fat ass could be squishing what ever tire by what ever amount - even though the thinner one measures out as more contact... even with more air pressure...

but... rounder = more supple and less deflection of momentum in a counter-productive vector.

gwadzilla said...

I could never be technical enough about my gear to be a roadie