Not conducive for decreasing vehicle traffic and getting people to realize the benefits of alternative modes of transportation. Sure they could do the whole bike on bus rack deal. But what if you have a trailer? How does that work??? Bike on front, trailer on bus via wheelchair access? I suppose that might work. Hmmm.
Anyway. Someone defiled the name of the Hawthorne Valley Farm. I can't sit idly by and fire cheap shots back via the comments. No. This is more important than that.
Bolocks to you for thinking HV is 'hand' made; small batch.
Is that said out of jealousy or offense or ignorance? Or a bit of all three. And since people never really take the literal meaning of words I'm not suggesting this person is ignorant. Far from it. But everyone, with out exception, is ignorant about something.
So, Ya see. While I haven't been in the giant factory there in New Hampster that churns out more organic yogurt than most it would seem. A formerly small company with great ideals that let their recent expansion and capital growth get fueled by some giant French MegaCorporation certainly knows every last little place that is making yogurt in the country. Esp those Organic Yogurt brands they compete against.
This big corporate yogurt giant (talking the NH branch including the SF and BC brands) does make a fantastic product. Great and consistent stuff. No question there. But. Ya see. There is a small Association that includes a Biodynamic Farm, a Nursery through grade 12 Waldorf School, and a market.
They have a full dairy on site. I could go on and on. But first I will offer up a quote from their Dairy web page:
Hawthorne Valley Farm was one of the first dairies in the United States to be certified as organic. The products we make from our biodynamic cows’ milk can be enjoyed with the assurance that our cows are grass–fed on our pastures throughout the spring, summer, and fall. In late fall and winter, they are fed our biodynamic hay and baleage from our fields; limited amounts of certified-organic grain are fed to our dairy cows for the purpose of helping them maintain condition. They are given no hormones or antibiotics and are tended with gentle, caring hands.
* Demeter-certified biodynamic dairy processing plant
* products include farmstead yogurt, quark, and cheeses
* raw milk available at the Farm Store
* products available at the Farm Store, Green Markets (Union Square and Inwood, NYC), and through our CSA; yogurt and quark distributed east of the Mississippi River to natural foods and grocery stores
* cheese is sometimes sold through mail order (call for availability)
Hmm. Either this CXRacer guy is being a dink, or he's just mis-informed, or HVF is not so truthful.
Okay. Add this to the equations. One of my little brothers lived and worked there for 6 years. He actually worked in the dairy, putting the yogurt into boxes for transport.
So why is this yogurt special? Unlike the Nancy's stuff out west where they put powdered milk into milk to make a thick yogurt (damn stuff is REALLY thick), or worse than using powdered milk as a "thickening agent" (in my opinion) Pectin.
Here, again. Let me pull a bit from their descriptions of the Yogurt:
* Old European–style
* made with live cultures
* no thickeners or emulsifiers added
I've heard someone talk about the european Yogurt market driven first by taste, then by "organic." American consumers don't really care what the yogurt tastes like. How many actually consume large quantities of PLAIN yogurt? Or how many use plain yogurt to mix with their granola/muesli in the morning? Or use it as a topper to dishes? Go stand infront of the dairy case some time.
Think of it this way. It would be like switching the quantities of flavored milk with plain milk in the store (make all plain flavored and flavored plain in stock quantities).
Fact of the matter is, Hawthorne Valley Yogurt just flat out tastes great. Doesn't have any thickeners. Sure the cream rises to the top. That's what happens when you take warm freshly pasteurized organic whole milk and mix it with living cultures. You get some amazing magic.
I may not have ever been inside a yogurt factory. But I ain't no city boy. I've been around my share of farms. Hell being around an Ag school has some knowledge boosting advantages in this department. Growing up walking down to the end of the dead end road, then through the forest, out into a friends pasture and coming back home with a big wide mouth glass gallon of raw milk probably isn't something most folks have done. Maybe that single example doesn't shed light on everything. That and yogurt is just a simple microbiology project. Anyone who has done a few years of sterile cell culture work, or spent time trying to keep cell lines alive or clean probably could make yogurt. It ain't very complicated. It ain't all that special. But why, oh why, do people insist on it being thickened or solidified? Wait. They don't want it natural and lumpy. yeah. gotta be smooth, homoginized, processed and clean.
Great Grumbling Fuzzle sticks. Real food is pretty amazing. People should try it more often. That said, another key benefit is the microwave and dishwasher safe quart containers the yogurt is sold in from HVF. I don't take lunch to work any other way!!!
So. Excuse me while I have just one more nice chocolate chip cookie that i brought to work in a HVF yogurt container that my wife made last night with my cup of Coffee Depot Tanzanian peaberry that i brewed here in my office.
Coffee and cookies.
Heddwch
G

17 comments:
RAAARGH YOGURT WARS!!!
My yogurt is more organic than your yogurt!
LOL
no kidding -
Bunch of dirty Hippies arguing about yogurt
ummericans hate it when you pull the top off and there is all kinda watery shit on there. we like smooth pink yumminess with no chunks of fruit or other shit mixed in. if you can do it with two colors swirled together like a creamy even better. If they can be yellow (banana) and pink (strawberry) you have a winner.
J
oh man - yall are cracking me up...
that said there is one hell of a lot of sugar in them there SF flavored 'gurts. Man. An extra 17 grams of sugars added. Sure. 17 grams in 8 oz of yogurt doesn't sound like much.
But here. Lets see something.
How many teaspoons is 17 grams of sugar?
1? 2?
Heck 2 teaspoons of sugar is alot. no? It would take one 8 oz cup of coffee from bitter to SWEET.
3?
talk about sugary coffee.
No we are talking about yogurt.
17 grams is just under 4 teaspoons of SUGAR.
Great if ya doing a couple hours of high intensity work a day, burning the calories. Either way. That is a heck of a lot of sugar.
(Using french vanilla vs plain WM yogurt from their web page).
Now why do they say a serving for those who by a 32 oz container is 1 cup, where as the small "single serving" containers are only 6 oz?
Wouldn't one think they would sell single servings at close to the serving size of a bulk package? Or is it hard to sell a container with 5 and 1/3 servings inside?
Want to make that company leaner? keep the pounds off? Don't trim the fat. Trim the damn sugar for Pete's (and Jane's) sake.
IN ALL the products.
But then. Yeah like opening it up and seeing the watery crap, not enough sugar and people won't like it. Because they are expecting a sugar bomb when they take a bite.
Less sugar than that and they might just actually TASTE the yogurt.
Oh man we can't let them actually TASTE the yogurt, can we?
Noooooo.
(I'm a big can of worms, except it is more that springy explode all over the place in a mess kind of worm... good luck containing it if per-chance you happen to open it with some innocuous comment)
I just had some yogurt from the fridge with no sugar added after reading your post. It had 60 calories, I probably burned more than that just walking to the kitchen.
In summary, yogurt sucks, I'm still hungry.
Why is questioning your belief that the yogurt is "hand" made in "small" batches a cheap shot?
"Small" is relative but your original post seemed to indicate you believe they are making this up one bucket at a time just for you. That is what was brought into question.
SF makes lots of products with no sugars. That is a matter of consumer choice.
yeah questioning my belief or questioning the yogurt... my bad
anyway small batch hand made to me means small quantity production kinda stuff.
Take milk. Add microbes. Fill containers. Let ripen. Chill. Pack. Ship.
Making 10,000 quarts a day or 100 quarts a day really doesn't matter I guess. Having a handful of apprentices and farm folks doing it instead of machines could be considered hand.
Didn't we just have this same conversation about beer? I think the bidding stopped at around $20 bottle for beer brewed in an unlit church steeple by naked monks standing on one foot brewing the beer with one hand and playing a tambourine with the other.
Funny thing I have learnt about G-Willi, "He is NEVER wrong"....wow, G, you have a life in politics, you no nothing about nothing, yet you speak of everything as though you know everything,....first you are a (hum hum) _race director_then you know about (hum_hum) organic, preaching to a guy that lives & breathes it every day,...re-read Solo's first comment, he nailed what I was saying, thing is your ego got in you rway,...hum hum_like it does with Myerson,....so, me no ignorant, me lie this life and work in the sector,..so me no making the shisnay up (as you say)...oh and yes, lest me all remind everyone of houe G-Willi was a poster SHIFT boy, raving how he HAD to drink them everyday, sugar didn;t bug you then huh?...what way is the wind blowing today?
Funny thing I have learnt about G-Willi, "He is NEVER wrong"....wow, G, you have a life in politics, you no nothing about nothing, yet you speak of everything as though you know everything,....first you are a (hum hum) _race director_then you know about (hum_hum) organic, preaching to a guy that lives & breathes it every day,...re-read Solo's first comment, he nailed what I was saying, thing is your ego got in you rway,...hum hum_like it does with Myerson,....so, me no ignorant, me lie this life and work in the sector,..so me no making the shisnay up (as you say)...oh and yes, lest me all remind everyone of houe G-Willi was a poster SHIFT boy, raving how he HAD to drink them everyday, sugar didn;t bug you then huh?...what way is the wind blowing today?
BTW - I want a written blog apology from you....
Sheesh.
BTW - we be fool'n blogsphere, no 'real' yogurt war here, G-Willi and I are fool'n. I respect anyone that can make 'gurt.
So_no worries Il_Bruce...besides, a war about yogurt is 'sigh'....zzzzzzzzzzz
G- You da man for me still,....
ME: NEED SUGAR
Most Americans: GET TOO MUCH
ME: Like unsugared yogurt
Most... don't
ME: LOVE SHIFT
me can't get shift easily (that and i can't drink a minimum order from the market before it goes way outa code)
Me VS Everyone else
awe can we feel da love?
Distinction between recommending stuff for folks who need an extra 2,000 calories of carbs a day and those who just need 1600 calories total...
fine line eh?
oh yeah - i was the poster boy for Kozy Shack too.
I still love me some Euro style rice puddin from them and I still love me them Stonyfield smoothies esp the shifty ones...
Sugar? YEAH it da BOMB.
but... filtering in through that are comments from other people that also label SF stuff as sweet...
Appology and long winded introspective post is in the works...
stay tuned...
Eh?
I'm still hungry.
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