Tuesday, November 20, 2007

i knew it

Not there. Just like Southington in '06. But at least there they told ya "Git off the course you don't count as a finisher." Yeah. I know. Back in the old days it was the exception to be listed in the results if you weren't in the money or the points.

See dats the thing. I is pretty sure i was in front of Belgian Dave... Maybe not... i was behind Timmeeee... I dunno... I can hear solobreak bustin my ass with "you lucky you are getting listed 1/2 the time anyway with your finishes"

True. But say i used crossresults to track my races... but then it only tracks the races i get listed as finishing. Ah well. Suck it up. Better luck next time. I can pretend i never raced, because there is no record of me finishing. I wasn't that far behind Matt "My bike sounds like it is falling apart" Domnarski. But then maybe he was the last rider to finish (of the 35s) in front of Curtis and that being the cut off for being scored. Why i getting all bent outa shape about it? I dunno. I dunno. Mike B didn't get listed in his race either. I know this ain't the special olympics. it ain't a freaking marathon. Just "finishing" isn't the goal. So getting list as just finishing shouldn't be an expectation. But when every other race sort of follows the pattern of listing riders... not to mention the fact that the officials screwed up. If Curtis hadn't done an extra lap i wouldn't have been lapped and maybe we'd all be scored. Or not. Whatever. Move on. It was a good race. I realized a few things. Next race. Move on.

Looking at the pre-reg list, it got longer for Saturday's race. And it being verge... well that means those who haven't reg'd start in the back. Unless ya got call up points or some stuff like that. So, we'll see all yall there. Till then though it is vacation time. time away from the normal routine. time to recharge and refresh. which really means work harder at different stuff and get even more exhausted.

Whoo hoo...

might even wash the mud off before sterling...

maybe...

we'll see...

till then, remember, smile, break the cycle, start something good... Freedom, it starts with kindness and understanding, not hate and violence...
peace,
G
written (if you can call it that) by before

17 comments:

Colin R said...

So getting listed as just finishing shouldn't be an expectation.

Uh, yeah it should be. Having complete and timely results is part of running a professional race.

No one says you gotta run a professional race, I mean most of us will show up and ride a course marked with cones or less, timed with someone's watch, with a a six pack to the winner.

But if you have to pick between "professionally run race" and "race that left me off the results last year," I think we all know where you're going.

Disclaimer: I do run a results website.

4:45 PM
Anonymous said...

Eh, two of my teammates didn't make the results either, and one is so kickass that she's listed twice.

-KT

6:20 PM
G-ride said...

ya know, as an official myself (though I never work cross races anymore, obviously), I am very surprised that the results have been kinda sketchy this year. During the road season, goddamn we get every stinkin' finisher and times and everything.

You pay 25-30 bucks to race, you expect to see your results. The whole race experience and process IS more then just riding around in circles, you want the feedback and info and such.

All that said, I still aint working any cross races.

J (Cat 3 Official)

7:11 PM
GCDavid said...

I thought I saw you in the race next to me at the start. And I swear we chatted afterward. But, you aren't in the results so you must not have been there.

If you race, you should be listed in the results. I watch the officials spending HUGE amounts of time trying to make sense out of the Canton race when the 4s were combined with the juniors and the women and who knows who else. The Masters 35+ and 45+ were the only games in town, so I don't know why we couldn't have everyone recorded.

PLUS, to earn upgrade points there is supposed to be a minimum field of 30. Now, I know we had more than 30. But, the results only lists 22 finishers. Soooo, how do they do the points? Do we have enough or not?

Keep in mind I have no intention of upgrading to a Cat 2. It ain't about the points; it's about the principle, IMHO.

7:53 PM
G-ride said...

funny thing is, you (gewilli) were listed in the results that were posted on the wall right after the race, I swear I saw you on it. I usually snap a phone pic of the results sheet, but this time I didnt. Stupid as its probably the last time this decade that I am withing three spots of Curley. That was cool. Man he can ride that bike.

anyway, so you have an unlisted number, that usually costs EXTRA.

J-taking over Gewillis blog

8:03 PM
zank said...

Yeah, the good doctor wasn't listed either. She was 7th on the results posted on the board. With all of the names that are missing, you guys may have had a better turnout than the GP!

9:02 PM
Cathy said...

Yup - as Zanc and Karin said, the women's race results were foobar too. Sucks because the good dr had such a good race! And two of my teammates weren't there either - in your race or the women's race!!!

However, I have PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence of your participation! So I KNOW you were there ;-)

Hey correct me if I'm wrong here, too, but I don't think you can earn upgrade points in the Masters races.

9:13 PM
GCDavid said...

Hmm. I don't know. I was going by this:

http://www.ne-bra.org/pages/racers/upgrade.asp

I didn't see any specifics about the Masters category and the upgrades.

Old, slow guys need luv too.

9:20 PM
JB said...

ah, that sucks ... everybody likes to see how they stack up.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!

Josef

10:40 AM
CTodd said...

Wow. There was about 2x the amount of guys on the start line. That kinda blows they don't have everyone listed. I mean, you paid your entry fee, you raced the race and you finished. IMHO, you should get listed appropriately in the results.

Aside from that it was a fun race! I was soo hung over. Can't believe I hit a top 15...

12:44 PM
EyeBob said...

So who do we complain to? I too wasn't listed. NO biggy, I got lapped, yada, yada, but still I like to see my name there.

Besides, it works as proof to my DS that I've raced the requisite number of races to earn my free team kit.

Seriously who do we complain to?

BTW, it's "FUBAR" not foobar or some other nonsense.

BT

3:57 PM
GCDavid said...

Why do we complain? Because the officials are there to do a job, and get compensated for doing it. I don't want to dis them because by and large they do a great job. But talking with other people in other races, results were FUBAR. People out of order, times not posted, some people doing extra laps, some people not listed.

If it was just G, that's one thing. But, there seems to have been a pattern at this race for some reason. So, it is not just for our individual egos or whatever that this matters, but because people are there who are assigned with the task of doing it. When it is not done, that's a problem. Perhaps not a problem like global hunger or Darfur or some such thing, but a problem nonetheless.

4:27 PM
Colin R said...

Just from a random sampling of blog commenters you have 6 people with incorrect results in at least 2 races -- G and BT in the Masters race (with CTodd mentioning that there were "about 2x that number" on the start line) and Dr Z and 3 of Karin's teammates getting excluded/double scored in the Women's race.

That's a lot of errors, and not just in one race, either.

Who do we complain to?
I would hope that BRC (the promoter) knows that this happened, but if not, someone who knows a BRC guy could probably pass along this url.

Another issue here is, did any of you who were left off results check after your race and bring it up with an official? Of course, no one says that the officials will actually be able to place you when you walk up afterward and say "i'm not on the results," but I think the onus is on the racer to at least raise the issue.

4:39 PM
EyeBob said...

Colin brings up a good point about checking results after the race. I might add that sometimes we don't stick around to do so. In those cases we rely on the accuracy of the judges to post the results. I suppose one might counter-argue that if it meant that much to us, that we'd make sure to stick around to check it. But I digress.

I did e-mail BRC to let them know that there were questions about the results. I did not link to this url. Dunno if it'll help, but I'd assume that they'd at least listen to my complaint.

EyeBob

5:03 PM
G-ride said...

i made a special point of going up to the officials after the race to make sure I got scored right as I was concerned with the fact that the leaders did an extra lap. I saw zero and stopped, but the leaders were still racing. Turns out they MISSED the leaders going thru so they got 2 to go twice.

I then checked the posted results. I am an official so I maybe am more conscious of potential screw ups. Still, scoring a cross race is EASY compared to a road crit.

That was not the "A" crew, either. I have not seen alot of the regulars at the races in a while, and the officials listserve has been begging for people this year as well. Seems worse then usual.

Email Diane Fortini or Dieter the new regional rep. ne-bra site has contacts.

J

9:11 PM
EyeBob said...

I e-mailed BRC tonight and they got back to me. There take is that they can only report to bikereg.com what the officials give them so they are not to blame. Seems reasonable. I guess if we want better officiating maybe we need to pick up the ball and roll with it ourselves. Of course if we do that, we can't race, huh?

BT

9:42 PM
Anonymous said...

Rick Hardy here from the BRC. BT and I have talked on this. I think the problem for the officials may have been some of our making. As you may have observed we were a bit limited in being able to use the entire park this year due to the hydro seeding and new park construction. This meant that we weren't able to adequately design a course to "sting out the field". As a result too may riders were passing by the start finish area and the officials may not been able to keep up with the race. That and maybe a re-configure of the fields and start times may help. As a "back of the packer" in the 55+ I know I would like to see my name even if it is last or 2nd from last. Next year we will be back to being able to use the entire park including "Lombard street" to keep this a challenging course.
I want to thank you for coming out and racing. Those of you who have been at Shedd park in past years will have noticed the new playground and water park. The BRC was extremely proud to be able to make a nice contribution towards the construction of the playground by the Friends of Shedd Park. We hope to do the same this year as well. You should feel good about your contributing to this worthwhile effort.

Thanks again and wanted to let you know we as racers do understand your concerns and hope to work this out for nex year.

6:13 PM

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