Thursday, November 29, 2007

special feature

The Ask GeWilli Morning Edition.

To preface, i have a few friends who ask advice on occasion. It doesn't happen often, #1 cause i only have wicked smart friends, and #2 who knows if what i will offer up is right (sarcastic negative humility). There are probably a few more #s, like i don't have any friends, or they know better than to ask a question that could lead to a 1000 word email essay and prefer to call or what ever reason there is. Or like gluing tubulars. I ain't going there, more than i did already.

So.

On to the question for the day.

This is from A down in the Carolinas,
Can you run a fixed gear rear wheel on a bike with a derailleur?
Seems cheaper to buy a fixed gear rear wheel and throw it on your
beater road bike or cross bike than to purchase a fixie. Is this
possible or would the slack in the chain as it runs through the
derailleur cause the chain to skip off the cogs when meeting the
resistance of the fixed gear?

You are my Leonard Zinn.

A


Your Leonard Zinn? I'm flattered. But i think the only similarities between me and Zinn are in vertical stature and a passion for bikes. That well i think we are both better mechanics than we are racers (he's i think a bit better than me in both areas - something to strive for on my part, no?).

To the answer
single speed... yes, fixed gear... no (you can but it'd not really work as you point out with the slack)
If you had a double derailleur, one on top, one on bottom... it might just work if not for the next problem:

problem with fixed gear wheels is they generally have track spacing
ie 120mm and that no work on 130 spaced road bikes.

In general though. With a bit of futzing with cog/chainring sizes and chain length you can make most vertical drop out bikes work as a fixie. Just look at fixed gear gallery for "ideas" assuming the axle spacing is 130 on the hub. Many shops can convert a fixed gear track wheel over to a 130 drop out. But then ya looking at buying a new axle, spacers and the labor involved in it.

Bottom line Fixed can have no slack. The chain needs roughly equal tension on both sides. Think about it symmetrically. Normal geared or singlespeed bikes apply force only on the top so there is always a slack side. On a fixed gear bike you apply force equally (biased significantly to the top but not as much as you'd think).

Why ya want to fixie your road or cross bike anyway? Hell you can buy a cheap ass complete one for under $500, it won't be light but it'll last at least a couple years of winter beating. Probably 10 down in your neck of the woods.

So there ya go AC in the Carolinas...

Hope that helps
GeWilli

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sheeesh.

Dear G-uber,

Why are bike shorts so expensive? I tried using the the long aerobic's shorts from Dick's but found that the friction from by my longjohns caused repeated electrical shocks to my naughty bits.

I bought a pair of Pealizuki shorts last year on from Sierra Trading Post but they cost almost $25.00! They did work better though.

Is there a cheaper alternative? I mean I just had to spend $10.00 for new toe clips and I only got 6 years out of my last chain, (another $11.00!) and I don't want to spend any more money on biking.

Also, should I wash my shorts before or after the season?

You are my Stacy London.

Regards,

Geert

gewilli said...

Ya old washed up pain in the ass Geert,

Questions are only answered if they are emailed...

they only make the web log if i feel like it...

but damn do you get style points, i'd say a Six of Gansset Tall boys for that question

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention. I am a triathlete, does that matter?

Geert

Big Bikes said...

The best solution for converting a frame with vertical dropouts to a single speed or fixed gear is this:
White Industries Eric's Eno Eccentric
hub. It's what I've been racing on all year with no issues whatsoever, and it looks pretty damn good too.

Anonymous said...

$160.00 for a biking part!

That's crazy.

How can you afford a fuel belt and wetsuit after that?

gewilli said...

let me clarify...
White Bro Hub = no cheap...

but absolutely the best idea... wicked awesome bit of hardware...

Geert... u funny

someone pointed out tension on bottom only when you slowing down...
Here's the problem...

most people ride fixies off the track...

and maybe ya noticed if ya ride a bike on a semi-regular basis

ya slow down pretty damn regularly, eh?

And thanks to an anonymous emailer that pointed out Zinn got a top 10 in a Cross Nats one year...

He might have been one lap down and DFL but he was still top ten. Right behind Paul Curley. That must have been a sight to see...

Paul and Lenny duking it out...